tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.comments2023-08-26T09:34:18.163-05:00Dead TheologiansJared Nelsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18445783451815077626noreply@blogger.comBlogger1199125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-59585479941934842602015-12-30T00:54:53.173-06:002015-12-30T00:54:53.173-06:00I am working really hard at trying to see baptism ...I am working really hard at trying to see baptism in a new light (having grown up baptist and no attending an anglican church). My question is, what did the early church believe about the moment of conversion/salvation. Did they believe that baptism was the moment of justification? Did they believe that an infant was brought from sin and eternal condemnation to life everlasting when they were baptized? if so, could they then grow up to reject christ and "lose" this salvation?? How does this relate to the baptist understanding of "once saved always saved"?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09397745615384262807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-18650521097218961722015-07-03T08:50:35.745-05:002015-07-03T08:50:35.745-05:00I share many of your thoughts. I was born in 1977...I share many of your thoughts. I was born in 1977. I was raised in the PCA and was ordained in 2006. I am a graduate of Covenant Seminary. My hang up in all of this is the lack of the biblical evidence of sin. I have heard the terms of generational/covenantal repentance, but I am yet to see this doctrine described. It is always assumed, not exegeted. We are on dangerous grounds when we assume Scripture to be teaching something. In fact, the assumption of doctrine is one of the hallmarks of liberalism. So, can someone please explain to me the doctrine of covenantal repentance?<br /><br />I have other thoughts on this as well, but Scripture is where we must begin.Brentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-36965426617442516222014-11-14T02:52:46.144-06:002014-11-14T02:52:46.144-06:00So beautifully written. These words made me weep f...So beautifully written. These words made me weep for realization of a life I do not live. Oh we are all just beggars!Larsen Ullrichnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-37141949331706512132014-06-19T18:18:09.672-05:002014-06-19T18:18:09.672-05:00Jared.. Excellent insight.. Particularly with re...Jared.. Excellent insight.. Particularly with regard to Christ succeeding as the representative of the race whereas Adam failed in stewardship.. Keep up the good work..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-35495671017261552842014-05-31T15:10:13.152-05:002014-05-31T15:10:13.152-05:00I've never read or heard of ANY Federal Vision...I've never read or heard of ANY Federal Visionist advocating intiction. In fact, when it has been discussed, it has been vehemently opposed. The bread and wine are kept distinct by Jesus himself in his institution. Two prayers, two rites. This is consistent with the sacrificial system where the blood was drained from the body of the animal. It's also consistent with the FV crowd, since they draw their principles of worship order from the sacrificial system.<br /><br />I'd like to see some proof of a Federal Visionist advocating intinction.Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-8269185294351016872014-05-20T21:53:50.739-05:002014-05-20T21:53:50.739-05:00JT- do you know personally of a PCA church where t...JT- do you know personally of a PCA church where theistic evolution is being taught or a particular TE teaching it? This is not a rhetorical question leading to an argument, rather if you do please email me (jared.j.nelson at gmail.com) and I would like to help you address it. Jared Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445783451815077626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-26385737571616951532014-05-20T19:20:22.477-05:002014-05-20T19:20:22.477-05:00No, I am not a member of MNY presbytery, and I am ...No, I am not a member of MNY presbytery, and I am a layman. The point still stands because Andy made the point. You have ignored the point against evolution and the non-historicity of Adam, and instead redirect the reader to the idea that Webb was attacking Old Earth views per se, and not his MAJOR point of concern about evolution which is now being taught in PCA churches.<br /><br />JTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-58217153528551968612014-05-16T22:46:45.324-05:002014-05-16T22:46:45.324-05:00The PCA proudly embraces the history of Luther,Cal...The PCA proudly embraces the history of Luther,Calvin and others. Here is a story published this week by a Southern Baptist blogger out of Oklahoma on a PCA story out of Nashville, Tn: http://www.wadeburleson.org/2014/05/austin-davis-covenant-presbyterian-and.html<br />PCA pastors and members should be encouraged to read it as you continue your discussion on the PCA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-67048682951631344492014-05-16T21:40:19.233-05:002014-05-16T21:40:19.233-05:00Ben has spoken to the issues; further the ARP is, ...Ben has spoken to the issues; further the ARP is, Lord willing, doing away with the 1903 chapters ---at least that's the recommendation coming before us at Synod. <br /><br />Subscription issues are slowly being dealt with and brought around.<br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733816076626503204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-4507835013268994412014-05-16T18:45:39.270-05:002014-05-16T18:45:39.270-05:00Sinclair Ferguson is not in the ARP anymore, so no...Sinclair Ferguson is not in the ARP anymore, so now one would have to posit Derek Thomas.<br /><br />(and of course neither are infallible, I hope no one would make an argument based on a certain man's place in NAPARC)Benjamin P. Glaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461805796612551821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-59276364612213629972014-05-16T16:47:46.374-05:002014-05-16T16:47:46.374-05:00Thank you for a thoughtful and helpful reponse.
I...Thank you for a thoughtful and helpful reponse.<br /><br />If I may clarify, The original article was not soley a personal one written by Andrew Webb but a published resolution from the session of Providence PCA. Unknown Posterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06104581211185469978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-47292709092882938632014-05-15T10:31:44.991-05:002014-05-15T10:31:44.991-05:00Benjamin - But if the ARP does eliminate women dea...Benjamin - But if the ARP does eliminate women deacons, then that invalidates the popular argument for deaconesses in the PCA: "But Sinclair Ferguson's denomination does it and they aren't liberal." Jared Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445783451815077626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-59561937889846006962014-05-15T10:13:39.299-05:002014-05-15T10:13:39.299-05:00Not to get away from the OP, but in a defense of t...Not to get away from the OP, but in a defense of the ARP, women deacons are on their way out as the ARP becomes more confessional (we are still recovering from our dalliance with liberalism in the 60's and 70's) unlike the PCA where women deacons are on their way-in in many Presbyteries.Benjamin P. Glaserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461805796612551821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-55953470413879967452014-05-14T20:44:56.493-05:002014-05-14T20:44:56.493-05:00Nick - sorry, I did forget ARP, but a lot of us Am...Nick - sorry, I did forget ARP, but a lot of us American revision WCF do that. Women deacons would keep many away. But I also am not as familiar with their subscription philosophy, perhaps you van enlighten me.<br /><br />Andy (biblebased) - Thanks for the clarification.<br /><br /><br />JT- are you in NY Metro? Lay person or ordained?Jared Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445783451815077626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-49617708454570816192014-05-14T20:38:04.739-05:002014-05-14T20:38:04.739-05:00Jared,
What about his concerns with evolution and...Jared,<br /><br />What about his concerns with evolution and rejection of Adam? His concern about Old-Earth views seemed in view of this, and you did not touch on his actual problem. Would you not agree that evolution, rejection of a literal Adam, and mythologizing of most of Genesis is a heresy? Would you also not see major problems with accepting pastors who teach such? We're not talking Hugh Ross types, but Metro NY presbytery pushing evolution and not even listening to us Young Earthers.<br /><br />JTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-12688460405962656122014-05-14T15:58:26.278-05:002014-05-14T15:58:26.278-05:00Jared, just an FYI:
http://biblebased.wordpress.c...Jared, just an FYI:<br /><br />http://biblebased.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/clarifying-addendum-to-5-reasons-it-might-be-time-to-leave-the-pca/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-76480585640916782952014-05-14T14:15:22.579-05:002014-05-14T14:15:22.579-05:00Jared --- well written article with some great poi...Jared --- well written article with some great points. A note of interest for me was a the end when you mentioned "attending presbytery", etc. As a RE I attend as many presbytery meetings as I can (which is to say I am at a vast majority of them). Sadly, some of the bigger names in the conservative camp are either absent or leave many of them early. This is an observation I have made about two different presbyteries and I honestly do not understand it. Yes, sometimes major pastoral issues come up at the last minute and I understand those reasons. However, I doubt that this is the case each time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819442956662913188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-7463283515609806082014-05-14T13:24:03.822-05:002014-05-14T13:24:03.822-05:00Thanks for this helpful, and charitable rejoinder....Thanks for this helpful, and charitable rejoinder. I agree whole heartedly with the assessment and advice. <br />Sincerely,<br />TE Jesse PickettJessenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-84390967016372368962014-05-14T12:46:11.797-05:002014-05-14T12:46:11.797-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733816076626503204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-54243019812275676552014-05-14T12:42:37.629-05:002014-05-14T12:42:37.629-05:00Jared, you leave out the ARP, which is conservativ...Jared, you leave out the ARP, which is conservative and larger than the OPC. As a matter of fact, it is the second largest NAPARC denomination. It does have its own issues, but it is a good church.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16733816076626503204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-59161976814739948352014-05-14T09:57:44.387-05:002014-05-14T09:57:44.387-05:00Thanks Jared for your counterpoints and defense of...Thanks Jared for your counterpoints and defense of the PCA. I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01117522475132321477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-23997727329693547352014-04-09T08:25:26.187-05:002014-04-09T08:25:26.187-05:00Could you please tell me where the first indented ...Could you please tell me where the first indented Luther quotation is from? Also, do you think that Luther's idea about teaching the Gospel not being "our job" which be why he (and Calvin) was able to happily work with the state in providing education to the young. That is to say, training in the scriptures, music and theology of the Church is not proselytization, but simply the cultivation of the ground (i.e. cultural process) in which real trust in God might develop in the lives of some?jgerriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063695347287888310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-60563284794293091202013-05-15T10:57:24.873-05:002013-05-15T10:57:24.873-05:00I am--so one can--be for infant communion as Bibli...I am--so one can--be for infant communion as Biblical without being for FV (I'm unsure on FV), without insisting on intinction (wait until weaning is OK), and without water regeneration (one might say Spirit baptism--in a reformed, not pentecostal, sense--saves or at least accompanies salvation.) We're showing Christ's death; he died (we suppose) for covenant infants; so how can the showing exclude them? Examine yourself specifically to see if you're including everyone you should (read the context!) And if infants are saved, are they saved without faith? If so, where's sola fide? (Hint: my pretalking infant trusts he, and hears the gospel. My 3- infant says "Jesus loves me best.") For 30-40 pages on paedocommunion starting with 1-page summaries, try http://andrewlohr.wordpress.com/2013/02/page/2/; be ready to scroll.Andrew Lohrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-71632968030388337362013-04-22T11:57:47.546-05:002013-04-22T11:57:47.546-05:00I'd be happy to participate in a more detailed...I'd be happy to participate in a more detailed and personal conversation off the site. Send me a private g+ message.<br /><br />To start, consider Augsburg Confession IX, http://bookofconcord.org/augsburgconfession.php#article9, which says in part: Of Baptism they teach that it is necessary to salvation, and that through Baptism is offered the grace of God, and that children are to be baptized who, being offered to God through Baptism are received into God's grace. <br /><br />We would say that Baptism is a means of grace, one of the ways the Lord has promised to deliver forgiveness, life, and salvation, the justification Christ won on Calvary. 1 Peter 3:21, "Baptism now saves you," means what it says. Baptism saves because we are told it does in Acts 2:36-41, Titus 3, et al.revpaulcainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16771205236443124884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7615787.post-87071061155242542752013-04-20T21:54:54.400-05:002013-04-20T21:54:54.400-05:00Greetings Pastor! Although I am a confessional Pre...Greetings Pastor! Although I am a confessional Presbyterian, I do have a great affection in my heart for confessional Lutherans and especially those in the LCMS. I thank God for your witness to the gospel of justification by faith. <br /><br />My post was actually directed at an internal debate currently occurring in the Reformed world over "Federal Vision" and paedocommunion. Federal Vision, in my understanding, has a view of the sacraments that are more properly understood as Romanesque than Lutheran, with an ex opere operato view of the sacraments. Their view then leads them logically to embrace paedocommunion, intinction and justification by faithfulness (i.e. works) - somethign I am thankful that Lutherans do not hold.<br /><br /><br />That said, I find myself confused by Lutheran sacramental theology, especially on the point of holding baptismal regeneration of a sort (imparting faith) while still holding to justification by faith alone. Yet, Lutherans are known to happily hold to contradictory statements without feeling a need to harmonize, which perhaps aids me in rejoicing that justification by faith is declared with what I believe to be a contradictory view of the sacraments. Perhaps you could actually help me there if you know of any Lutheran theologians explaining that tension, I would be greatly appreciative.Jared Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445783451815077626noreply@blogger.com